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MINDTRX Podcast

with Dr. Paul R. Scheele

What Horses Know About Leadership

Guest: Julie Delene and Amy Budd

What if some of the most powerful leadership lessons aren't taught in business schools—but are demonstrated every day by horses?

In this fascinating conversation, Dr. Paul Scheele sits down with Julie Delene, founder of Move As One, and Amy Budd, founder of Whole Heart Ranch, to explore how horse herds naturally model trust, awareness, collaboration, and shared leadership.

Drawing from the wisdom of horse herds, mindfulness practices, natural systems, and decades of leadership experience, Julie and Amy reveal how authentic leadership emerges through presence, partnership, purpose, and connection. They discuss how horses provide immediate, unbiased feedback that helps individuals uncover hidden patterns, limiting beliefs, and unconscious behaviors that often stand in the way of effective leadership.

Together, they share practical ways to move from reactivity to creativity, cultivate greater coherence, and embody leadership skills in real time. Whether you're leading a business, a team, your family, or your own life, this conversation offers powerful insights into what it truly means to move as one.

Key Topics Discussed

  • What it truly means to "Move As One"
  • The different styles and expressions of leadership
  • How horses reveal unconscious beliefs and behavioral patterns
  • The connection between the heart, nervous system, and emotional coherence
  • Lessons from shared leadership within horse herds
  • Turning abstract leadership concepts into tangible experiences
  • The four leadership qualities of presence, passion, purpose, and partnership
  • Practical techniques for shifting from reactivity to creativity
  • Developing authentic leadership through awareness and connection
  • Helping teens build life skills and confidence through experiential learning

Key Takeaways

  1. Leadership is not about control—it's about connection and awareness.
  2. Natural systems provide powerful models for collaboration and shared leadership.
  3. Horses offer immediate, honest feedback that helps reveal blind spots.
  4. Coherence between mind, heart, and body creates greater effectiveness and influence.
  5. Presence and authentic communication are foundational leadership skills.
  6. Small shifts in awareness can create significant personal and professional transformation.
  7. Experiential learning often produces deeper and more lasting change than traditional instruction.

Resources

  • Move As One: www.move-as-one.com
  • Whole Heart Ranch
  • Live Leadership Labs
  • Life Skills Boot Camp

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Paul R. Scheele, PhD

Paul Scheele, PhD, is an acclaimed innovator within the fields of neuro-linguistic programming, whole mind learning, preconscious processing, hypnosis, and accelerated learning. As co-founder of Learning Strategies, he has designed and developed over one hundred programs to stimulate personal and professional success, including the Paraliminals on the MINDTRX app. Others include “PhotoReading at 25,000 words a minute,” “Genius Code,” “Abundance for Life” and “Future Mapping.” Paul guides people to meet critical challenges in their own lives and those facing the world. And he helps them achieve extraordinary results in their relationships, work, finances, health, and spiritual well-being. He is the author of “PhotoReading,” “Natural Brilliance,” and “Drop Into Genius.”

Julie Delene

Move As One founder and principal Julie Delene is a strategic management consultant, whole-system facilitator, and change expert who developed the Move As One system to help leaders and teams change human behavior to be more aware and collaborative.

Using the 5 Mindful Moves™️, she guides re-generative growth by combining mindfulness with strategic leadership, and eco-system awareness. She introduces this system and facilitates moving conversations in a fun game format.

Julie has over thirty years experience defining business strategy, driving growth, improving performance and facilitating change for major organizations and entrepreneurs.

Julie is also an accomplished professional ballroom dancer. Move As One was inspired by elements of successful leader and teamwork—alignment, engagement and synergy—she observed in her experiences with mindfulness, Eastern methods and ballroom dance.

Amy Budd

Amy Budd is the founder of Whole Heart Ranch, where she partners with horses to help leaders, teams, and families unlock their true potential. Blending neuroscience, experiential learning, and the innate wisdom of horses, Amy guides people to move beyond limiting beliefs and step into authentic, heart-based leadership.

Through programs like Life Skills Boot Camp, The Painted Path, and The Live Leadership Lab, she helps participants release old patterns, discover their voice, and co-create a new vision for what’s possible—both in leadership and in life. Amy’s work emphasizes shared leadership, deep listening, and the power of authentic connection.

When she’s not facilitating transformation in the arena, Amy is passionate about helping people carry these lessons into everyday conversations, creating environments where all voices are heard, valued, and empowered.